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Ponder this: what is a real gamer pc
Posted 11:19am 26/09/08 by: kreese
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Go to a beach with a longboard and you’re asking to be deemed old or unfit. Turn up dragging a bodyboard and flippers and you’re considered in many circles a kid. Real surfers use a shortboard, didn’t you know?

Perhaps the guy in your band is frustrating you. He hates Tool. Can't stand Kings of Leon. NoFX does nothing for him. Instead he's amped about house music. What the hell? That's not real music!

With Warhammer Online up and running and a new expansion for World of Warcraft on the way, it’s been especially interesting reading some of the comments relating to MMOs – specifically what it is to be a “real gamer”. Quite a few people have spoken forcefully about their view of the damage MMOs do, the impact on other communities, even the impact on the player themselves. It really got me thinking. Taking a longer view of the MMO vs the world argument, it’s hard not to draw parallels from our own gaming histories. Looking back on my own, I can see plenty:

Early 80s:
Commodore 64/Vic 20 vs Atari 2600/Intellivision. The Commodore computers were machines. Consoles were kiddy and unsophisticated – you can’t type on them and the range of games was dismal. Ergo, real gamers play C64/Vic 20.

Late 80s:
The Commodore 64 is a yawn. Old machine is old. Playing games off tapes? The new Amiga is cutting edge. It has a 3.5” floppy drive built in. Ergo, real gamers move on and play Amiga.

Early 90s:
The Amiga 500 is a toy. “Business” people don’t use them – they use PCs. Grownups use PCs. Ergo, real gamers play PC.

The Super Nintendo console has a heavily censored Mortal Kombat. MegaDrive has the uncensored version. Ergo, Nintendo’s for kids, real gamers play MegaDrive (even if Street Fighter II rocks on SNES).

Mid 90s:
The new PlayStation has Gran Turismo and about a billion games available. Sega’s Saturn has three good games – Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop and Sega Rally. Ergo, real gamers play PlayStation.

Late 90s:
Quake 2 is out. It’s slower than QuakeWorld. It has bigger maps. It has weapon switching delay. It hasn’t a lightning gun. It’s got a weapon that kills people with one shot. Its rocket launcher sucks. Ergo, real gamers play QuakeWorld, not the noob haven that is Q2.

Half Life and Team Fortress Classic arrive. They’re even slower than Quake 2. There’s no speed jumping, no air movement. Real gamers don’t play TFC/Half Life.

Real gamers also don’t play RTSes. They play FPS.

2000+:
Counter-Strike comes out. Your weapons don’t automatically hit where you’re aiming. Speed jumping is frowned upon. Real gamers don’t crouch, therefore Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2003, Battlefield 1942/Vietnam are for real gamers.

In the “height” of Q3’s competitive phase key players get addicted to Dark Age of Camelot. Real gamers don’t blow their lives away obsessively playing MMOs with freaks all over the world.

Battlefield 2 arrives. Real gamers don’t rely on the tank/flyers to rack up their points, they grab their Spec Ops kit and snipe/explode and harass their way to victory. In the dark days when a Blackhawk could dominate all I get told that real gamers don’t seize the MEC chopper on the Mashtuur City map and ram it into the Blackhawk… but I choose to ignore that advice. A lot.

World of Warcraft comes out. I see why people would like it, but it doesn’t really do much for me personally. Real gamers play Battlefield 2, which in my personal hall of fame has been elevated finally past QuakeWorld to Best Game Of All Time. Then in the lead-in to the first expansion, Burning Crusade I reinstall WoW so I can preview/review the new content, and for some reason I get it. Addiction ensues, all the while plagued by the guilty awareness that real gamers don’t play WoW – they play fast action twitch FPSes like Team Fortress 2 or brilliantly executed efforts like Call of Duty 4. Then I realised: nothing stops me from playing them all.

Console FPS? Real gamers use a mouse.

Singstar? Real gamers don’t sing.

Guitar Hero? Real gamers don’t play with plastic toys.

Wii? Real gamers don’t truck with no sissy underpowered hardware.

And on and on, to the break of dawn. My (long winded) point: we all hold our prejudices about what “real gamers” play, and beyond our circle of mates and players we associate with – it doesn’t really mean squat. The elitism that many of us consciously or not exhibit over games really doesn’t mean jack to a bystander – or even to a unaffiliated gamer.

If someone starts trying to sell me on the strategic beauty of Brood War, I’m listening but the message just won’t get through. Same if I haul aside a hardcore shooter fan and start telling them about how Druid – Warrior is ridiculously overpowered against most other twos combos their eyes will glaze over, just like when I used to try and tell Quake 2 players how nothing beats the feeling of locking down QW Aerowalk and pounding someone by 60.

Our individual motivations for playing vary. With FPS, some guys live for the teamplay. Others love the heroics. When it comes to WoW, I’m split along social lines and a love of causing havoc. I’ve got minimal interest in wandering around fighting computer AI with nine to 24 other people but I totally can appreciate the effort and skill that goes into it. So it goes. When I play FPS, you’ll find me at two extremes: either sniping away or running in all guns blazing. Healing people? Boring. Fixing stuff or supplying people with ammo? Lame. And all the while there’s people around me with their own priorities and specialities. This diversity and choice is something we always cried out for – it’s too late to bemoan it now.

The current discussion and antipathy regarding WoW, WAR and other MMOs will pass. In years to come doubtless they will in turn be held up as the purist’s choice compared to (whatever). And the new title holder will doubtless also reveal idiosyncratic behaviours in lots of its playerbase. RSI for obsessive mobile handset players, deteriorating vision from the tri-D headset – your guess is as good as mine. What I do know is that the same defence will be adopted by the more restrained playing majority: all good things in moderation.

It says a lot for the strength of gaming in general that people have such passion for “their” choices. We’re used to getting heavily invested and advocating our picks. Mac vs PC, Xbox vs PlayStation. RTS vs FPS vs MMO. But at the end of the day, like it or not – we’re all “real” gamers.
Comments on this Article
Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:11am
Soldant
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:11am

There’s no speed jumping, no air movement
In TFC? What about conc and rocket jumping?

Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:15am
kreese
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:15am

Point being: I didn't know enough about the game. I was quite happy to assume.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:26am
Bonzol
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:26am

I always thought Guitar Hero seemed like a game for chicks and emos.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:36am
MackTheKnife
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:36am

we’re all “real” gamers.


No. WoW = Fail at being a real gamer. Console as your primary system = Fail at being a real gamer. Having a wii = Fail at being a real gamer.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:41am
Sint
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:41am

I guess i have a lot to ponder.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:50am
netherhed
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 11:50am

so what you're saying is... umm, what are you sayin??

tbh, you're not a "real" gamer until you realise the best game of all, is real life!

gaming philosophy 101

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:01pm
Wraith
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:01pm

Console FPS? Real gamers use a mouse.


Preach it brother!

I suppose the thing I find so 'cool' (if the word can be used in this sense) about having a PC, is that it's mine. My hands built it, pulled it apart and rebuilt it, upgraded it and finally tuned it into what it is today, and will continue to do so with every computer I upgrade to down the line. Buying a package computer is still above consoling, but it's not as 'elite' as biulding your own.

I suppose that's the special thing about being a hardcore PC gamer - it truly is MY machine, with all the glitches, quirks, eccentricities and joys being a consequence of how I built it.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:03pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:03pm

Go to a beach with a longboard and you’re asking to be deemed old or unfit. Turn up dragging a bodyboard and flippers and you’re considered in many circles a kid. Real surfers use a shortboard, didn’t you know?


What a load of ****.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:09pm
kreese
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:09pm

I used to be totally that person... but now I know too many dudes who rip on lids in conditions I wouldn't even dream of being out in.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:13pm
Fase
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:13pm

Ponder this: What is real?



OOooooOOOOOoooOO thought provoking.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 5:16pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 5:16pm

No, it comes down to that if you bodyboard or surf, you are still riding the wave and both are surfers in my opinion. Surfers with the whole mentality "you are **** if you don't stand up" sucks and I will always be happy to give them a swift kick in the head on the sand.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:17pm
Joaby
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:17pm

That's the point he's making in this news piece PsyleX :P

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:18pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:18pm

That's the point he's making in this news piece PsyleX :P


I thought it was about gaming ;)

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:25pm
Sly
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:25pm

As gaming becomes more mainstream there is always going to be sects and groups who considered themselves real. It happens to all established forms of media or entertainment. In the film industry there is Hollywood and its glitz but there's also that independent side of the movie making business.

The fact is that as gaming becomes more and more mainstream, we will always have a division between people and at the end of the day as long as everyone stands up to be counted as gamers, the gaming industry itself with thrive.
I used to consider PCs the meca of gaming, but gaming isn't about how you're playing or even what you're playing. It's about being able to sit somewhere in the comfort of your own home on your own or even with friends and enjoy something electronically interactive.

You say you're a real gamer because you've got the twitch skillz that bring the killz but the neighbour, or your dentist or maybe the bus driver you see every morning on the way to work is also a real gamer; he's just destroyed your highest score in Peggle.

That **** is real.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:58pm
kreese
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:58pm

I used to consider PCs the meca of gaming, but gaming isn't about how you're playing or even what you're playing. It's about being able to sit somewhere in the comfort of your own home on your own or even with friends and enjoy something electronically interactive.

^^ this sums up my tl;dr effort above perfectly.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:00pm
crux
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:00pm

I'm a real gamer. Only play skill games. Not fail games like WoW and BF.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:27pm
dale976
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:27pm

perhaps a horse?

Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:32pm
dale976
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:32pm

for god's sake, put this **** to rest. I thought this **** died after the SEGA vs NINTENDO days. These days I can play Sonic on a Nintendo! Even the Eastcoast vs Westcoast gangsta wars died in the 90's

Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:39pm
ImToast
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:39pm

This is a real gamer.



Google said so :D

Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:40pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 1:40pm

A real gamer from the 90's. Check that CRT pwnage.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 2:06pm
Farmy
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 2:06pm

A good news post, In my opinion there is a distinction between someone who plays games and someone who is a gamer.

A gamer in my view is someone who plays many games, or at least a myriad of games, who attempts to experience games, whether they are FPS, RPG, RTS, different games for different things, just having fun, or a prolonged immersive experience. Someone who plays a single game, or someone who just plays WoW or BF2, or CS or whatever, and doesn't even think about other games isn't a gamer, or a real gamer. Saying they are is like me watching one movie and then proclaiming to be a movie buff. It just doesn't work. When I think gamer, I think movie buff, I think past times. Someone that plays just WoW is not a gamer, they are just someone who plays WoW, in the same way that someone that just plays BF2 is someone that just plays BF2.

I think some of the points you make with regards to "real gamers" etc have to do with people thinking they are pro, or noob, and of course scrubs. I mean you do have a point there is a certain elitism in some circles with regards to their attitudes to gaming, and of course many other things, surfing for instance (as you stated). But some of that really isn't a dispute of whether your a "real gamer" its a dispute with how you play the game.

Battlefield 2 arrives. Real gamers don’t rely on the tank/flyers to rack up their points, they grab their Spec Ops kit and snipe/explode and harass their way to victory. In the dark days when a Blackhawk could dominate all I get told that real gamers don’t seize the MEC chopper on the Mashtuur City map and ram it into the Blackhawk… but I choose to ignore that advice. A lot.


For example, this is exactly what a real gamer would do, taking the stupid MEC transport chopper and ramming it into the blackhawk was both effective and fun, fun in the action of doing it and fun reading the rage through global chat. Sure it wasn't fun for the ****** in the blackhawk, but they made their bed when they decided to be dickhead ******.

I mean personally, you look at 3d modeling or visual effects compositing, you have people that love one piece of software but hate another, In modeling I love Modo and Autodesk Maya, while other people (retards) love 3dstudiomax, because they are retarded of course. Or in compositing, I like node based compositors like Fusion, Shake and Nuke, while retards like Adobe After Effects which isn't even industry standard.

You make a good point though, with regards to the trends, though I disagree, I don't think MMOs will continue to grow and prosper very much, as a genre there has only been one big hit and thats WoW, unless you count Ultima and Everquest. I mean these are games that cost alot of money to make and maintain, and the hit rate isn't very great either. I think they will survive as a genre, an established genre like RPGs, RTS and FPS games, but not dominating over any of those really. Because people will always want that immersive experience that singleplayer games offer, and if I'm going to fight against AI hordes I'd prefer to do it offline where I'm not paying $30 a month.

I mean look at the gaming community now, the majority of gamers world wide, don't play MMOs, alot of gamers do, and alot of people that are in no way gamers do as well. I've played WoW, I played for a 3 or so months on and off, it was fun when playing with people, but other than that it was boring as all hell.

In conclusion people that berate others in social situations about "insert game here" are generally unsociable, unless of course the conversation is about games, it really has nothing to do with being a gamer.

Also Desert Combat was/is better than BF2. Not a comment on the people that play either, as I play both, more so that the latter was a lesser game than its predecessor, I tend try to make comments on the actual games more so than the people that play them

Also I apologise for my jumbled post, I was attempting to post and work at the same time.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 2:01pm
dale976
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 2:01pm

definately a horse!

Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:18pm
Banana Hammock
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:18pm

lul @ BF2.

MoH:AA > All.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:20pm
ImToast
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:20pm

Minesweeper > All

Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:29pm
Sachiel
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 3:29pm


Also Desert Combat was/is better than BF2.


ps gaming elitism is on par with game-atheletes.
Unless you have a graphics card system named after you. Then you're both cool and legit. ;)

Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:00pm
Farmy
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:00pm

Also Desert Combat was/is better than BF2.
ps gaming elitism is on par with game-atheletes.
Unless you have a graphics card system named after you. Then you're both cool and legit. ;)


yeah, but Desert Combat, was/is about 5x better than BF2.

Its a fact, it is in every way a better made game, which is funny because it was actually a Mod for BF1942, whereas BF2 is an actual game.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:06pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:06pm

BF2 is utter ****. Long live BFV !

Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:16pm
Bonzol
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:16pm

awww, I love BF2! still play it now!

Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:26pm
Farmy
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:26pm

awww, I love BF2! still play it now!


So do I, but Desert Combat was a better game.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:48pm
Hot-Dog
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 4:48pm

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:15pmPsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:15pm

No, it comes down to that if you bodyboard or surf, you are still riding the wave and both surfers in my opinion. Surfers with the whole mentality "you are **** if you don't stand up" sucks and I will always be happy to give them a swift kick in the head on the sand.

I bodyboard...hear hear!

Fri 26 Sep 08, 5:17pm
PsyleX
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 5:17pm

Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:15pmPsyleX Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 12:15pm No, it comes down to that if you bodyboard or surf, you are still riding the wave and both are surfers in my opinion. Surfers with the whole mentality "you are **** if you don't stand up" sucks and I will always be happy to give them a swift kick in the head on the sand. I bodyboard...hear hear!


Fixt. Did a typo at work earlier :/

Fri 26 Sep 08, 6:55pm
Redwall
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 6:55pm

I'll end this arguement right now

A Real gamer
* Plays everything at least once or attempts to.
* Appriciates the strengths and weakness of each game/genre/platform, even if they like or dislike said game/genre/platform.
* Usually has at least one game they're competitive in, be it professionally or casually.
* Has tried to at least once attempted to make a 3rd party add-on for a game (level, mod, music, etc).
* Is involved in some sort of gaming community, guild, clan or otherwise.
* Has delved into the history of or been involved with the history of gaming.
* Regardless of how they play, they're in it for the enjoyment/passion of gaming, getting paid for it is just a nice bonus.

Fri 26 Sep 08, 10:18pm
Rapture
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 10:18pm

brings a tear to my eye, the list above, the memories.

that's how you know if your a gamer, is if you have memories, really good memories of being a gamer

Fri 26 Sep 08, 10:56pm
AktaVite
Posted: Fri 26 Sep 08, 10:56pm

'Real Gamers' play!

Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:05am
Tetsu
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:05am

awww, I love BF2! still play it now!
So do I, but Desert Combat was a better game.

I'll drink to that. I play BF2 a fair bit and simply join the one decent squad that seems to exist in each server (You know, the one with a leader that does stuff and teammates that work as a group) and medic my way around. Mixed success, but a shitload more fun then playing that noobfest solo.
But I'd take DC anyday. Far more fun.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:46am
hotcakes
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:46am

Real Gamers don't get with your sister. I'm not a real gamer.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:18pm
MaYHaM
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:18pm

agreed DC pwns BF2. Shame not many people play it anymore :(
BFV always was an awesome game. Both games required alot more skill then BF2

Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:20pm
Gung-ho
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:20pm

There’s no speed jumping, no air movement
In TFC? What about conc and rocket jumping?


When I first played TFC I'm fairly sure it allowed for bunny hopping....but then so did CS. The half-life series got butchered by people that wanted to slow it down (my personal feeling).

A real gamer is someone that plays the game to the person's maximum potential. That doesn't mean they will be necessarily be the best, because everyone has different reflexes, anticipation calculations etc. It also means they don't have to play religiously, but when they do play, they play with the desire to do their best. A true gamer will endeavour to succeed at whatever game they will play too.

Furthermore, if you have played pvped in an MMO at the top levels, it's just as ruthless and demanding as an FPS, if not more due to their being a larger range of variables.

Kreese, to me it sounded more like why one game was better than another. Each game has their charm, and a true gamer, will be able to find them in any game.

On a side note, QuakeWorld = Quake 2 (they excel in diff areas - DM, Quake is better; Quake also had TF. Yet Quake 2 had RA, Gloom, & AQ2) > Quake 3.

On an even more side note - does anyone else miss some of the map, mod, TC, & skin making genious that was so abundant in QW/Quake 2? Around the time of HL onwards, it seemed to have gotten lost.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:27pm
Rapture
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 1:27pm

On an even more side note - does anyone else miss some of the map, mod, TC, & skin making genious that was so abundant in QW/Quake 2? Around the time of HL onwards, it seemed to have gotten lost.


Can't say i have, seeing i started modding on original UT, and ended on Garry's Mod

Sat 27 Sep 08, 2:49pm
Chavistah
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 2:49pm

Real gamers play Battlefield 2, which in my personal hall of fame has been elevated finally past QuakeWorld to Best Game Of All Time... they play fast action twitch FPSes like Team Fortress 2 or brilliantly executed efforts like Call of Duty 4


and in all that, you left out the best and most skillful game of all time: Enemy Territory.

Every game since ET (especially bf2) just cater to spammers and other gutless turds who sit back (or in vehicles) and take cheap shots.

REAL gamers play for skill and teamwork... the rest is just kiddies learning how to toss.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 2:53pm
Gung-ho
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 2:53pm

Real gamers play Battlefield 2, which in my personal hall of fame has been elevated finally past QuakeWorld to Best Game Of All Time... they play fast action twitch FPSes like Team Fortress 2 or brilliantly executed efforts like Call of Duty 4
and in all that, you left out the best and most skillful game of all time: Enemy Territory.

Every game since ET (especially bf2) just cater to spammers and other gutless turds who sit back (or in vehicles) and take cheap shots.

REAL gamers play for skill and teamwork... the rest is just kiddies learning how to toss.


Was thinking the same thing, RtCW and ET (and to a slightly lesser, but significant extent, Quake Wars), evolved the depth of FPS team play IMO.

The reason ET was much more popular than RtCW was due to it being a free stand alone game, and a ******* awesome game at that.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 4:37pm
nummersechs
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 4:37pm

RTCW. happy penguin 64player on dialup. that was the glory days before the golden age of SOF2.

ET was fun , but im afraid cheats ruined Q3 engine.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 6:38pm
baumaxx1
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 6:38pm

A real gamer is someone who plays video games... easy question.

Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:53pm
Godis
Posted: Sat 27 Sep 08, 10:53pm

lol, real gamers roll dice, LOLS.

I dont think what a real gamer is matters, i think that the new wave of internet games are destroying what i left of Australia's LAN scene, nobody hosts lans now because you can play over the internet, or people cant be bothered, about 3 years ago the LAN scene was massive, with MotherLAN in brisbane having about 100-200 people, and now they dont hold them, there are no LANS run publicly for gamers, it SUCKS.

REAL GAMERS USE LANS

Sun 28 Sep 08, 12:31am
Wraith
Posted: Sun 28 Sep 08, 12:31am

That picture is a sham. He tries to wear the persona of a gamer, all the while sitting in front of a monitor with a Ubuntu sticker on it. For shame.

Sun 28 Sep 08, 1:20am
damez
Posted: Sun 28 Sep 08, 1:20am

A real gamer is one who does not imposter themselves as being a gamer.

Eg. Washing the dishes - not a real gamer. Although, washing the dishes with keyboard + mouse and gaining XP points - a real gamer.

Sun 28 Sep 08, 7:57pm
Wizard
Posted: Sun 28 Sep 08, 7:57pm

I will say I wholeheartedly support kreese's original post. We are all "real" gamers.

Seems human nature that we discuss our views with others and we shouldn't expect to find agreement wherever we go. Therein lies the secret I say, we enjoy discussing what is the "best" or truest to the cause, it's coded into the way we act as social beings. My personal goal in life is to seek pleasure in everything I do, so gaming perfectly agrees with my sensibilities.

Game on people!

Mon 29 Sep 08, 2:49pm
Finger Bijang
Posted: Mon 29 Sep 08, 2:49pm

We are all real gamers... its all about whos better than who...

Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:05am
dark
Posted: Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:05am

lol, and yet reading these comments it is OBVIOUS that ony 10% understood or even just got around to reading the article.

Kids, *sigh*, more interested in whether their game was mentioned as better than another over the actual point of the story, ahahaha.

P.S. to Redwall - awesome list lol :D

Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:35am
streets
Posted: Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:35am

Real gamers play Battlefield 2, which in my personal hall of fame has been elevated finally past QuakeWorld to Best Game Of All Time


Oh wow, are you serious?

Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:41am
netherhed
Posted: Tue 30 Sep 08, 9:41am

yeah, you gotta be kidding me - there is no game ever that will come close to Quake/QW

Tue 30 Sep 08, 1:51pm
mEF
Posted: Tue 30 Sep 08, 1:51pm

awww, I love BF2! still play it now!
So do I, but Desert Combat was a better game.


not.

Tue 30 Sep 08, 1:59pm
PsyleX
Posted: Tue 30 Sep 08, 1:59pm

On an even more side note - does anyone else miss some of the map, mod, TC, & skin making genious that was so abundant in QW


Yes I do miss it a lot. I used to have a Ronald Mcdonald skin for QW. Gung-Ho did you play QW a lot ? I used to be one of the DM4 duel kings back in the day. I actually traveled down to Melbourne quite some time ago to play at Shafted and Warts LAN for QW.

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