AUD699 PlayStation3 coming to a store near you

backwards compatability was a thing i wanted. stuff the other stuff, i just want to play ps2 games.

Yeah same, I WANTED to be able to play all the old PS2 titles I never got to experience. Especially annoying as this is done by software, not hardware so dunno why they left it out.

$700 is still about $300 too much for me tho'.

If the have removede backwards compatability i think $699 is still too pricy. I think Microsoft will still be on high from there over 100% increase in sales of consoles from Halo 3 launch and wouldn't need to respond unless Sony's numbers see the same increase as theirs did. Also i expect Wii sales to pick up ALOT as we have Metroid, Super Mario Galaxy and SSB Brawl coming in the next 4 months.

So the only way to make it cheaper was to cannibalise features.
But are they going to put this on the box somewhere - does not emulate PS2 games? Because a lot of noobs won't realise this and they're going to get burnt.

dont sony realise that modders will find a way around it???

TBH, this really entices me into buying a ps3. I dont see, personally, the great need to play ps2 games on a ps3, just the same as i dont see the need to play xbox games on 360. If i wanted to play ps2 games id buy a ps2, theyre only 189 dollars at JB hi Fi. In its lifetime there was never a ps2 game i *really wanted to play, maybe killzone, thats about it.

so yes, this does make me think about buying a ps3. Infact i just might come oct 11th. thats not long away. Maybe jb hi fi will give me a good deal on some games like resistance...

AUD699 PlayStation3 coming to a store near you

and STAYING IN a store near me!

Is the existing 60GB bundles getting a price cut? That's what I hear in Europe.

Hay Internet Monster your right about playing PS2 games on the PS2. But your not right about having Resistance. I bought that and Motortorm on day one Motorstorm WAY AWWWSOME, but RESIS bit dull and most levels are the same as the past one. So i dont think you should get it more like rent it first then buy it. But thats my opinion about RESIS, i think it might of been over hyped for RESIS and when i got it LAME.

Should be more like 600 imo. And i will just keep my ps2 to play ps2 games

Oh ok thanks W.X.X =) prolly should try it first but the videos looked cool

Seriously you guys with your backward compatibility rubish are pathetic. Why in the world would you be so lame as to buy a PS3 and want to play PS2 games on it??? The PS2 has been around for over 5 years so if your still a tight ass and havent bought one at the price that they are now to play your old PS2 games then maybe you should stay out of the console market all together. If you have PS2 games then obviously you have a PS2 to fricking play them on. I think yeah the original $999 price for the PS3 was a bit pricey and the gaming line up not crash hot to start with but neither was 360 on launch. With a $699 price tag right before the christmas period this is the smartest move from Sony Entertainment. With the new line up games coming out, Sony is going to be a force to be reckoned with. I aint some Sony ***** cause i've owned every brand console from Game Boy back in the day to Mega-Drive/Master System, Nintendo 64, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360. I dont have a PS3 yet but at 699 will be getting one for sure and playing NEW GAMES. Fantastic Announcement Sony!!!! Christmas is yours.

Seriously you guys with your backward compatibility rubish are pathetic. Why in the world would you be so lame as to buy a PS3 and want to play PS2 games on it??? The PS2 has been around for over 5 years so if your still a tight ass and havent bought one at the price that they are now to play your old PS2 games then maybe you should stay out of the console market all togethe

Um, what about the old games you want to keep playing? Fond memories that you might want to relive in 4 years time?

If you have PS2 games then obviously you have a PS2 to fricking play them on.

Why the fck would you want a PS3 and a PS2 sitting under your TV, for starters I doubt anybody has that much room, secondly, why the fck would you need a PS2 to play old games when a PS3 can do it with hardware? There is nothing the PS2 had that the PS3 doesn't have, so what's the point in keeping them both?

I have my PS2 sitting next to my Wii, and above that is the PS3, and above that is the 360.

So your point don't work deius. Someone who purchased a PS3 40gb would logically not get rid of their PS2 because then they couldn't play all their old games. They have the ability to play PS3 games and blu-ray DVDs but they can still play all their PS2 games as well and they didn't pay $1000 for it.

So your point don't work deius. Someone who purchased a PS3 40gb would logically not get rid of their PS2 because then they couldn't play all their old games. They have the ability to play PS3 games and blu-ray DVDs but they can still play all their PS2 games as well and they didn't pay $1000 for it.

This doesn't make sense to me.
A PS3 has all the means to play PS2 games, but in an effort to cut costs, Sony cut out the emulation.
Now, as Sxio said, it used to be hardware emulation and, according to most analysis, the chip itself only cost about US$15/20. They were so desperate to cut costs, they removed that. Now they remove the software itself. Somehow I don't think software emulation costs $300, do you?
My point is, ultimate efficiency is replacing old technology with new technology that does the same job and more. The PS3 is superior to the PS2 in every way.

So it makes no sense to keep the PS2. It's a waste of space, a waste of power, why wouldn't you just put it away in a cupboard?
I don't keep a Pentium II computer sitting on my desk so I can play old games that only run on Windows 95.

See, everybody criticised Microsoft for putting out the 360 core which had reduced functionality, because it was stupid, but now Sony do exactly the same thing because they know they're getting poor sales because 99% of old PS2 users are priced out.

What the heck is your point?

My point is, people who have a back catalogue of PS2 games they want to continue playing can still purchase a $700 PS3 and keep their old PS2 and they get the best of both worlds.

I keep my PS2 out because some games i play don't work on my PS3 even with the Software Emulation. Europeans are already used to doing this for their old games, so why the **** would this be a problem now?

PS2 games on PS3 = Up scaled to 1080p.

That's why you don't play them on a 40" LCD with a PS2.

Personally, I won't be getting a 40GB PS3, because I've still got two Final Fantasy games to play through, MGS3 & many other PS2 games, all of which I'd prefer to play in HD, with rumble. So I'll be waiting until the Dual Shock 3 is released, then pick myself up a 60Gb & MGS4.

I work part time for BIG W in my town..

..we EASILY sell more PS2's than Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 combined..

There are MANY more games available for PS2 than PS3, and the way I see it, Sony would be mad to discontinue the PS2 range at this point in time - its still making them soo much money :S

Microsoft shot themselves in the foot in a way when they discontinued the Xbox - however it did seem to influence people to buy a new Xbox 360 - however backwards compatibility did seem a contributing factor... Lets see how this one pans out :D

Deius: Seriously mate if you dont have enough room to put 2 consoles maybe its not time to buy a PS3 maybe its time to buy a new TV cabinet with a few extra shelves buddy. You and your PS2 rubbish. The whole reason they bring out new consoles is for NEW GAMES not to keep on playing old faithfulls. Anyway most people with a PS2 or XBOX would have it chipped and be playing burnt copied games which are usless on the new PS3 either way.

And Franky: I work for the biggest retailer in Australia and yeah your not wrong about PS3 sales lagging behind, and most likely due to price points and games available. You watch your sales on PS3 triple over the christmas period so you should tell your Electric Buyer to stock up quick smart or lose out on some serious christmas cash. Make a hero out of yourself with this information mate.

When i spend $700, i'd be expecting to buy peace of mind aswell with that price tag.

What i'm trying to say is that the PS3 SHOULD be your one stop shop for your entertainment needs but it's not. You still NEED to keep your PS2.

What about the people who's PS2's lives are coming to an end? when it dies i'm guessing the first thing they'll see is the $699 PS3 buy it and say "WOW i got my playstation back AND a new one"

but no they dont because they pretty much get a new completley different console.

And it was sony saying that the PS3 was the ENTERTAINMENT HUB to last 10 years. So when i say peace of mind i mean i can, without thinking go up to it and play a DVD or a game of any kind or a blu-ray movie or stream music or surf the net.

In taking out the PS1 and 2 emulation, sony have taken a BIG chunk out of why i would want to buy it. IMHO

chrisso.sR: You don't deserve to own a PS3 if all you seem to care about is playing your old games. It is an ENTERTAINMENT HUB OF THE FUTURE!!! not of the frickin past buddy. Get with the times mate. You think people who are playing HALO 3 are going to ever have another crack at HALO 1.... not likely, and maybe if they do it would be for 2 minutes before they get bored at a game they already clocked 4 years ago.
You tell me who out there still plays PS1 games on there PS2??? Actuall original games from the first ever PS1 on their PS2..... no one mate.... why would u play Formula 1 from 1996??? why would you play FIFA 1998??? you would simply get with the times and get the newest stuff which is exactly why you would purchase the newest console called..... PS3.

So they take a whole bunch of stuff out of the PS3 to reduce the price. I'd be happy if they just reduced the price of the 60GB model. This just annoys me and wont be getting one, especially if MGS4 comes to xbox later.

Well I have a Wii and I think the backwards compatibility is awesome, as is the Virtual Console. No backward compatibility stinks, why should we have to keep an old PS2 just to save Sony a few bucks. Why are people arguing about this anyway? Some people want to play last generation games without the hassle of keeping the old console setup, some don't. Your cunning "buy a new cabinet" argument doesn't change that.

And with the sad state of the current PS3 lineup the PS2 games are looking like the better alternative if you are a Sony exclusive gamer.

Personally I'll probably be getting a 360 this Christmas. It seems to have the far stronger lineup of games out now and coming soon. It won't be able to play overpriced Blu-Ray movies, but I'm sure I'll survive :) Will probably pick up a Wii game or 2 as well.

lol i got a ps3.....only thing ive played so far is ff10 lol

lol @ the existing PS3 owners. I still think the price decrease is quite significant, down an extra $300. I don't know whether I will purchase it though. If I had a HD tv already, I may consider it - however the xbox 360 is still my choice. If I want a blu-ray, I'll get it later on. All I really need is a console that can hook up to my home network to place media - XBMC on the xbox was perfect for me.

Deius: Seriously mate if you dont have enough room to put 2 consoles maybe its not time to buy a PS3 maybe its time to buy a new TV cabinet with a few extra shelves buddy. You and your PS2 rubbish. The whole reason they bring out new consoles is for NEW GAMES not to keep on playing old faithfulls. Anyway most people with a PS2 or XBOX would have it chipped and be playing burnt copied games which are usless on the new PS3 either way.

You honestly believe that they won't find a way to mod the PS3?
Sad sad man....

Deius: Seriously mate if you dont have enough room to put 2 consoles maybe its not time to buy a PS3 maybe its time to buy a new TV cabinet with a few extra shelves buddy. You and your PS2 rubbish. The whole reason they bring out new consoles is for NEW GAMES not to keep on playing old faithfulls. Anyway most people with a PS2 or XBOX would have it chipped and be playing burnt copied games which are usless on the new PS3 either way.

New games, and old games. But then again I'm a PC gamer used to playing old classics such as Deus Ex but maybe with consoles there aren't any games good enough to be worth playing after 1 year, IDK.

You tell me who out there still plays PS1 games on there PS2??? Actuall original games from the first ever PS1 on their PS2..... no one mate.... why would u play Formula 1 from 1996??? why would you play FIFA 1998??? you would simply get with the times and get the newest stuff which is exactly why you would purchase the newest console called..... PS3.

People still play Goldeneye and a tonne of N64 games don't they?
There's tonnes of good games on PS2, even I'll admit that, it's why Sony continue to support the console, and there are more PS2 sales each month than PS3. Doesn't that say something about the popularity of past titles?

My point is, people who have a back catalogue of PS2 games they want to continue playing can still purchase a $700 PS3 and keep their old PS2 and they get the best of both worlds.

Until the PS2 dies or breaks, and then you're left with a bunch of useless games and a PS3 that has every hardware requirement to play them except it lacks software, because you bought a cheaper PS3 with functions cut out, because Sony were desperate to sell consoles and suddenly they took out everything that they promised to have in it in the first place.

It is an ENTERTAINMENT HUB OF THE FUTURE!!!

Lol entertainment hub.
It has 2 USB ports, a "hub" is a centralised convergence of all connections, I don't think 2 USB ports is going to help.

New games, and old games. But then again I'm a PC gamer used to playing old classics such as Deus Ex but maybe with consoles there aren't any games good enough to be worth playing after 1 year, IDK.

Deus Ex sure is the pinnacle of old games, way back in that ancient year of THE YEAR 2000

games that are more than double its age from consoles aren't still played today or anything. Nope.

Final Fantasy VII didn't have such a huge impact on gaming that a spin off of it released 10 years after its initial release caused the PSP to outsell the DS for the first time ever.

Until the PS2 dies or breaks, and then you're left with a bunch of useless games and a PS3 that has every hardware requirement to play them except it lacks software, because you bought a cheaper PS3 with functions cut out, because Sony were desperate to sell consoles and suddenly they took out everything that they promised to have in it in the first place.

You could afford to replace your PS2 3 times and you'd still wind up spending less than a full price PS3.

chrisso.sR: You don't deserve to own a PS3 if all you seem to care about is playing your old games. It is an ENTERTAINMENT HUB OF THE FUTURE!!! not of the frickin past buddy.

Hahahahaaa!

Well I don't have a console. The last one I owned was a SNES. So I know that there are plenty of good games that I've missed out on that I'd like to play. That's why backwards compatibility sounds really good to me. There is NO WAY that I would buy 2 consoles. Thatt's stupid and a waste of money.

I love replaying old games years later. It's fun. Moving onto the next big thing and buying all new games again just seems stupid to me. Way to... just mindlessly consume.

Well think about it this way,
a=ps3 current price backwards compaitble = $999
b=ps3 without backwards compatiblity (and 40 gigs but this isnt being debated) = $699
c=ps2 = $187

a>b+c ;D

and to ppl that dont own any ps2 titles, like me, we're not missing out on much :)

Sxio: Mate sorry that you only had a SNES but just because i personally missed out on a PS1 when it came out and had a Nintendo instead didnt mean when i bought the PS2 that i wanted all the PS1 titles. I would have obviously got a PS1 in the first place if that was the case.

To anyone who continues to say that Sony is being cheap by taking out 2 USB ports (BIG DEAL) and the Card Reader (like people dont have the AV links to connect cameras to their TV's) you guys need to learn a bit about business. They launched with $999 and got stacks of sales and are still selling. They are re-positioning for Christmas at $699 which will significantly increase sales and with new games constantly being released things will be great for sony.

They launched with $999 and got stacks of sales and are still selling.

huh?

They launched with $999 and got stacks of sales and are still selling. They are re-positioning for Christmas at $699 which will significantly increase sales and with new games constantly being released things will be great for sony.

Stacks of sales in this case means "Spent most of the first half of the year selling less than the Gameboy Advance"

Furthermore, allow me to explain something about business.

You see,

Deius: If your a PC gamer then why not stay out of this forum with your biased rubbish. Stick to using your keyboard and mouse ok. I give you credit about the GoldenEye game on Nintendo 64, but even by now mate im pretty sure there aint many people playing that one. Yeah its probably the best multi player game back in its time and tonns of games have followed suit but i think gone are the days where people are dusting out their 64's unless they are having a drunken rage party at home.

The other thing about ur comment on Sony supporting the console is FOR BUSINESS REASONS again drop kick. They ain't just going to drop making games for a console that was supperior to everything for the past 5 years. It just does show you how much stronger Sony is in longevity if you want to get into the whole console war again.

And as for my entertainment hub of the future. Sony knows dam well that PS3 will be extinct in 10 years time. We will be looking at PS4 or 5 by that stage and some other format of DVD disc other than Blue Ray...... you must be stuck in your.... hold on wat was that game called again?? " "Deus Ex" from the year 2000 which is obviously your grandmother approach to life. You keep living in the past and by the time you have kids they will be teaching you a thing or two telling you how much of a moron u r for still playing ur year 2000 Dues Ex.

Fabio and Joaby: For the amount of Gameboy Advance priced at... hmmmm $199 was it??? You gotta sell 5 to 1 PS3 console to get that cash in the registers. Grow up... they have sold and sold well at a price of $999.

TBH, this really entices me into buying a ps3. I dont see, personally, the great need to play ps2 games on a ps3, just the same as i dont see the need to play xbox games on 360. If i wanted to play ps2 games id buy a ps2, theyre only 189 dollars at JB hi Fi. In its lifetime there was never a ps2 game i *really wanted to play, maybe killzone, thats about it. so yes, this does make me think about buying a ps3. Infact i just might come oct 11th. thats not long away. Maybe jb hi fi will give me a good deal on some games like resistance...

The reason is so you can sell/exchange/get rid of your PS2 system. Which would no longer be required. DER!!!!!!!!!!
PS2 games are still some of the best console games around. PS3 hasn't released anything really worth upgrading for yet.

And if you're like me i have hundreds of PS2 games. Pointless having 2 consoles that d the same thing.

XBOX360 isn't even competition or an option for most. Just check the flame reports that every single one produced to date is faulty. or for that matter why would you bother with an Xbox when the PC is far better and you can upgrade parts at anytime.

XBOX SUCKS!!!!!!!!

But i agree with i don't see how changing the way the software is read would reduce the system by half price.
There's something else they're aren't telling everyone. Probably doesn't play movies or something aswell. and HD's costs bugger all so 20GB wouldn't reduce something that much.

You are aware that this is "GameArena" right? "General" subforum?

I think Console Games is the one you're looking for GoldenWog.

INTERNET MONSTER = PERFECT MATHEMATICAL GENIUS!!!!!
Well said mate!!!

You think people who are playing HALO 3 are going to ever have another crack at HALO 1.... not likely, and maybe if they do it would be for 2 minutes before they get bored at a game they already clocked 4 years ago.

Fark this has been a hilarious read....

Just wanted to say GoldenWog, not everyone does/thinks the same way as you mate... as has been seen in this thread obviously.

I think Sony are sad, greedy and manipulative.... that's why they suck the ****.

The problem is they're gonna fool the 'general consumer' into thinking removing those features warrants the price drop... the HDD yeah, but there's hardly a big difference in price from 60GB to 40GB, and removing 2 USB ports what a ******* CRACK UP!

And the emulation.... even more of a f**king joke Sony, sad cases... not that I'll ever buy a PS3 anyway, but **** tell me that all warrants for such a price drop... when in another month or 2 anyway it's gonna drop again....

This is a quote from Sony on a news site:

"The cost of peripherals for adding USB connections and memory stick options is low," said Mr Maguire explaining the alterations.

Wtf, please explain the removal of these features then? If it's low WTF would they remove them, and how are you gonna take/play saved games on another console then, or take it to a friend house only to have no memory ports...? Pathetic...

The backwards compatability is retarded too... obviously there are plenty of people who do/would take advantage of that feature - and if it was already implemented I don't see how removing it would save you "substantial" moneys (from what they said) basically the software wouldn't be loaded and that's it.... geez that's a big $200 off each console guys, well done!

This quote sums the first part of my post up nicely:

"We want to get the console to the next level; we have re-engineered the machine to bring the price down."</quot>

LOL They remove a few things, therefore making the machine lower-spec, BUT they want to take it to the next level? And of everything removing these simple, cheap parts/features requires re-engineering.... LOL!

Then they do all this and are STILL going to be losing money on each console... (I know this is the way it goes... but HAD to throw that in)

I love you Sony, you make me laugh so much.

Joaby:
Yeah general forum mate do you wanna start talking about what the weather is like outside as well or how i couldnt take a piss this morning??

Its a forum conversation about the PS3 price repositioning. Mr Deius wants to bring his PC computer crap to the table because he has 50 USB ports and 10 CD/RW drives that he can sit and look at collecting dust.

Gotta hate the Xbox360 fanbois on GameArena these days...

Joaby:
Yeah general forum mate do you wanna start talking about what the weather is like outside as well or how i couldnt take a piss this morning??

Its a forum conversation about the PS3 price repositioning. Mr Deius wants to bring his PC computer crap to the table because he has 50 USB ports and 10 CD/RW drives that he can sit and look at collecting dust.

It's a general forum so you can't tell him to get out. ;)

goldenwog, shhhhh. its a general GAMING forum, if you try to start a thread about the weather im sure it get removed unless its about GAMING somehow, this being GAMEarena and all.. and also, someone mentioned about about not being able to port their save games to another console, wouldnt a flash drive work? or a usb card reader? not sure if it would work, but if they have removed the card slots im assuming it would.

The reason is so you can sell/exchange/get rid of your PS2 system. Which would no longer be required. DER!!!!!!!!!!

dont 'der' me u soccer holligan :P
the way i said it was obvious to most, i simply said "its cheaper buying a $699 console and a $187 consiole and have both, then spending $999 and having one that does both" c?

BC is a factor for me, I was pissed to learn that PAL PS3's were gimped and now we have this crap.

Tonnes of PS1 games and PS2 games I still play today, BC just would made playing them FAR more convenient.
No cramming all the consoles together.
Buying extra adaptors and wires or swapping them, controller wire everywhere.
Pulling necessary console out of the closet each time.
Plus PS3 upscales them and decreases load times.

So yeah gonna hope they introduce the 80GB half-gimped PS3 here.

i already have the standard 60GB ps3 which i got for $1000 and i think they lowered the price because all the people always complain about the price tag but not what it can do. the PS3 has potential and read reviews where it says that it may take up to four years to actually show the ps3's true power and i believe that. it's because the developers don't know how to use it.

So all i'm saying is the PS3 has potential and to see that petential is time. This is how low sony had to go to encourage you people to buy this PS3.

To me this 40GB model is not what i call a true Playstation 3.

Jeez medster you really do get sucked in by those reviews don't ya... that's all scrap book reading material and the future of the PS3(Sony) is thoroughly digging itself a hole that it will find very hard to get out of if it doesn't get a hand from somewhere!!

WoW

http://games.internode.on.net/content.php?mode=news&id=1188

Wow what Pr1ma1? The link you provided was to a pretty objective viewpoint stating that Sony will most likely bounce back. As it stands, they probably will. It gets bandied about a lot but Sony are planning on a 10 year life span for the PS3, which gives them plenty of time to make it into the console the PS2 is today.

WTF
$1000 = stupid
$700 without backwards compatability = almost as stupid

sony are tards, the ps2 has a shitload of games and honestly the only thing that would get normal people to buy the ps3 is the fact its the next playstation

one reason i dont wish to own a ps3 is that sony dont seem to be all that smart

My PS2 was 700 bucks back in the day, and it still survives to this day, spending the same on a PS3 that has the same life and won't keil over & die in a week (COUGH 360) will be nice.

WTF
$1000 = stupid
$700 without backwards compatability = almost as stupid

sony are tards, the ps2 has a shitload of games and honestly the only thing that would get normal people to buy the ps3 is the fact its the next playstation

one reason i dont wish to own a ps3 is that sony dont seem to be all that smart

You don't own a PS3 because being an imbecile doesn't pay all that well.

Baha haha, Joaby, in the case i meet you, i owe you a drink. Made me smile.

The ps3 is a pretty good price considering the cheapest blu-ray player is about $800. So to sell the ps3 at $700 that can play blu-ray movies AND play games, i think thats not to bad. Once a few good games come out i might actually get one.

WTF
$1000 = stupid
$700 without backwards compatability = almost as stupid

sony are tards, the ps2 has a shitload of games and honestly the only thing that would get normal people to buy the ps3 is the fact its the next playstation

one reason i dont wish to own a ps3 is that sony dont seem to be all that smart

$1000 is stupid?? how so?
Or did you mean a $1000 price tag for a recently released Playstation 3, is stupid?

Again... how so??

$700 without backwards compatibility is stupid?
Perhaps Sony made this down-graded version of the PS3 avaliable for;
a ) People who may have previously owned last-gen Playstations, but see no need in playing the old games, because they think the point in spending $1000 on a Blu-ray-playing-Playstation is to play current-gen games in high definition...?
b ) People who have grown up, and gotten over Nintendo's (not that its an immature console)
c ) People who want the PS3 for its entertainment purposes
d ) People who have realised that the PS3 may offer more in the next 10 years, than the XBOX 360
e ) People with a spare $700 to spend on their first console ever. Or younger kids with awesome parents who may wish to buy their children a PS3 for christmas.
f ) The list goes on....

"Sony are tards...
...the PS2 has a shitload of games...
and the only [normal?] people who buy PS3's are Playstation fans...?

Seriously mate,
..lol, what can i say?

Everyone knows here that Pikme is *** because he doesnt know what he is saying.
Joaby u make me laugh.
The only reason why the *** (Pikme) is complainig is because he is a poor redneck incest.

I'm Rich *****

Everyone knows here that Pikme is *** because he doesnt know what he is saying. Joaby u make me laugh. The only reason why the *** (Pikme) is complainig is because he is a poor redneck incest. I'm Rich *****

Please continue to talk about other people being "rednecks" while you butcher the English language. The Irony is just raining right down upon you and you are standing in it getting soaked because you werent even smart enough to bring an umbrella.

You think people who are playing HALO 3 are going to ever have another crack at HALO 1.... not likely

Heh, I actually did, but my mate and I ended up just jumping ghosts off of tanks in blood gulch. Ah, good times...

Joaby makes you laugh because he has an open mind for all consoles?

I thought pikme was a girl, or is that pingu? Either way. i owned this discussion with basic arithmatic. And ry Ivan, i destroyed u previously in quake wars why are u showing ur face again bad mouthing the xbox 360? Sure mine died, i sent it back three weeks later (yes long turn around time which i wasnt happy with) it came back fine. Lots of great games! :D
And i dont think u have to be rich to spend 1000 dollars on a console, just ill informed. And inpatient. Rich is walking into rick damellians and not test driving/asking questions about the lastes E class mercedez and paying in cash ;)

Im getting a PS3 at the end of the year, so this is good news for me. Is the 40Gb going to totally replace the 60Gb model?

Im not worrying about the backwards compatibility because Im not doing a trade-in with my PS2. Also, when I got my PS2, I hardly (likely never) played the original PS games.

You [i]owned[/i] this discussion?

Jeeez dude. It's a discussion not combat. If you have an opinion that's great but trying to pull apart everyone else opinions just because they are different is incredibly lame.

What's also stupid is that you're not making any sense and yet carrying on like you've won something.

Why do you care so much? You own every ps out or something? Well done then. good for you. But if other's don't see the value in it so what?

Fabio and Joaby: For the amount of Gameboy Advance priced at... hmmmm $199 was it??? You gotta sell 5 to 1 PS3 console to get that cash in the registers. Grow up... they have sold and sold well at a price of $999.

It isn't counted by how much money they earn, It goes by UNITS sold retard.

Well said Sxio. To many ***** in these sort of discussions like PS3 vs XBOX360 vs PC. GEt over your self and play what you want..........................................................................

OK

"Sxio
You [i]owned[/i] this discussion?
Jeeez dude. It's a discussion not combat."

Wish i could immortalise that in sig form... nicely said...

Anyway, i don't see why wanting backwards compatibility is 'retarded'... My Xbox just died recently (fire), my 360 lives on... I'm not too keen on binning the 30+ games i have lying around for the Xbox just because they're older titles. Of course the backwards compatibility on the 360 is a joke and i might as well throw away those titles... but thats another thread i guess.

However, if you *really* want that feature then why not pay for it... Don't whine about it being pulled out of the Poverty Pack.

It's about time Sony started being more aggressive in the console market, they're constantly getting outdone, out maneuvered and consequently out sold. The $700 console is a step in the right direction - not enough to make me want to buy one [i'd probably get the 'standard' anyway....] - as I am more concerned by the lack of quality software than the pricing of the console itself. But I'm sure that an 'optional parity' in pricing with the 360 will do nothing but help Sony in the run up to Xmas.

lol @ GoldenWog, i'm guessing your attitude towards people's OPINIONS come from the second part of your name.

And yes i still play PS1 games and i own pretty much every emulator on my PC other than new consoles.

The reason we're still talking about past generation consoles is because their games reached out to ALOT of people, and some if not most were REALLY addictive which is the reason i still play them.

Right now im hell addicted to GT1.. yes Gran Turismo 1. I found it in my PS1 when i was going through my old stuff and i haven't been able to stop playing it.

Now before you blast me about my opinion, take a second to realise your the only one blasting here, so take a chill pill and actually take in what people are saying :)

My 2 Cents.

There is more at issue with the PS3 than simply the cost of the console. The biggest issue is that at the price-point it is currently residing most people have got a few options depending on what they want to achieve.

The PS3 is a media Hub even the 40GB version will have a network interface. The problem is that as far media hubs are concerned it will be competing against technologies you probably already own. This makes it a difficult to justify expense. However in order to get the best out of a PS3 as a media hub, you may require a PC with a DLNA Server to stream content tothe PS3. and as I said if I have a PC why do I need a PS3 as a media Hub?

For a media Hub the PS3's Hard Disk capacities are too small, even on the 80GB model. My ipod (160GB)has more space and most of that is full. But thats not even the real problem with PS3.

The biggest issue of all is simply this, if I dont own a HDTV then why should I even think about getting one? Yes the console will work on a standard TV, but thats like putting a 1 litre petrol tank on a Bugatti Veyron. The real issue is in my opinion that the PS3 was released a little too early, and adoption of the HDTV standard has only just really started to pick up.

This year however I believe the console will sell better at $699 its a snip when compared to a Blu-Ray player. With HDTV having better market penetration this year the PS3 is a more attractive option at this price point. I believe that the Wii and the X-Box 360 will continue to outsell the PS3, but I believe the PS3 will start to chip away at that. Be under no illusions though, currently for every 4 wii's sold only one PS3 is sold.

There is an old adage in the Computer industry 'People dont buy hardware, they buy software' Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft live by that. When you look at your PS2 Games add up the amount of money that you have spent on them and compare that to the cost of the console. You should find that your investment in software is greater than the value of the console. By removing the functional Backwords Compatibility your software collection's value is approaching 0.

I have a PS3 and a PC and I use my PS3 as a media extension of my PC a Blu-Ray player and a games machine. its a good console with a lot of potential, the only problem with it right now is that I'm more excitied by its potential, than by what the software available can currently do with it.

I think this price drop is decent, I'd even consider getting one if it had any games that were worth my time.

So yeah, PS3 loses out and i'll more than likely have a 360 by the end of the year. I only really want the 360 to play the few good console titles that come out (which all seem to be coming to the 360) and I don't want to fork out a heap of money for a media center when all I want is a console.

I have a theory... why the removal of some features does not equate to $300

I don't know if anyone have been paying attention in the regards to the Australian dollar vaule at current but it has increase against the Yen from AUD$1 = JPNYEN 80 now at present its at AUD$1 = JPNYEN 100 and that's has only been in the last 4 - 6months

now I don't know what Sony Japan has what kind of contractural document with Sony Australia in regarding to profit splits but our dollar has gain 20 cents on average per dollar... and in $1000 terms that's an extra $200 dollar that sony doesn't have to earn because of the australian dollar strength...

well that's my 2 cents worth.

do you think this price is low enough to spur Microsoft into responding?

Hope so. Because I'm not shelling out $699 for a normal PS3, let alone a gimped one.

well i guess after reading this, come xmas i'll have a 360 :)

pikme can't you take it as a joke. geeez. this forum is as funny as it is so just leave it be. i'm not dibee doper like u are. go ahead and make fun of me . I DON'T CARE.

if ur really that offended. then i'm sorry BTW i was a bit drunk that night lol

Still not convincing.

where did that goldenwog fellow go???

any other 2 year olds that feel the need to be d**kheads because i have an opinion, please shoot yourselfs and stop ruining the world

swearing is against the rules check out how i report you biiiiiatttch

GoldenWog,

You seem to be such an arrogant little twirp that you remind me of being one of those spoilt little diks who if he does'nt get his way, throws himself on the floor and has a little tantrum....

I've read most of you comments and you show little respect to anyone.
Grow up and respect other peoples feedback. We are all allowed to blog on here. Most do it with respect !!!

i congratulate this rich drunk for being insane and inable to spell "you"

That's gotta sting.

Basically, all this $699 price tag does it prove that the original $1k price tag was over priced. We all know that the loss of backwards compatibility and a smaller hard drive (the difference in price between a 40gig and a 60gig is ridiculously small (considering both are obsolete technologies, they should be rolling with 200gig and the like) is not worth $300, we can reasonably assume that there was a lot of profit fat which could be trimmed and still maintain a healthy net profit.

All the people that were claiming "It costs so much because it has blu-ray!" (something I think which will be about as popular as miniDisc - yay for Sony backed technology) get to see that Sony are indeed profit mongering ******, or at least to a greater extent then the rest of the industry.

Note - haven't mentioned the game play of any consoles. This argument was targeting Sony's marketing department more then anything.

The mini-disc/betamax argument is broken Silent. Just because Sony have backed a failed format before doesn't mean future formats they back will fail.

The mini-disc/betamax argument is broken Silent. Just because Sony have backed a few failed formats before doesn't mean future formats they back will fail.

Fixed

The mini-disc/betamax argument is broken Silent. Just because Sony have backed a few failed formats before doesn't mean future formats they back will fail.

Fixed

That sure does change nothing but thanks for the pedantry

cant play ps2 games :(

MiniDiscs. I gave you my heart and you ripped it out!!

The mini-disc/betamax argument is broken Silent. Just because Sony have backed a failed format before doesn't mean future formats they back will fail.

You completely missed the point of my argument, which was the PS3 was completely over priced and all the fanboys explaining their willingness to pay extra was because of it's blu-ray player were completely smashed. The miniDisc comment was more of a passing, rub salt on the wound, kind of deal, hence that entire portion of my post being in brackets.

But yes, it's undeniable. Sony generally back **** technology. The one day might back a successful technology, but who knows. Paris Hilton might take a vow of celibacy and be serious one day. Also, it's generally a given that Sony devices outside of the console world, such as DVD players and TVs are usually inferior. Even if Blu-Ray takes off - why would you want a hunk o' crap Sony player?

It's notjust fanboys that use the "The playstation contains a bluray player which increases its cost"

I use it too. I'm no fanboy.

I use it because it's a valid point. The system comes standard with a method for playing HD quality movies on your HDTV. This makes it a bit more expensive. The alternative is paying close to the same amount of money for a bluray dvd player that doesn't play MGS4.


But i can see that this is futile against you because you're under the impression that because they backed a proprietary format before this time it will fail as well. If you want to go down the road of past performance predicting future results, lets all look at the Nintendo 64 vs the PS1.

The Nintendo 64 "lost" the "console war" against the Playstation. One of them used Cartridges, the other used Compact Discs.
Sony weren't the first to use the CD, of course, however they were the first to do so successfully, and as a result ALL of the consoles in both the last gen and this current gen use some sort of variation on the Compact Disc technology. I guess last time Sony put an unsure technology in their games console it worked. Therefore, using your logic, this time it will work as well.

This has been an interesting read - some of the comments are vaild points.
If this core pack was available at launch I would have gone for it as I havent used the PS3 to play a PS2 game since the first week I owned it.
Also I bought a HD DVD player yesterday ($1000) ... anyone complaining about the price of the console really needs to realise exactly what you are getting : THE BEST BD PLAYER AROUND.

GoldenWog - are you the angry bastard step child of rrrunner?

Fair call on the fanboy remark and I take that comment back, it did make sense to people before. Blu-Ray player is something new and shiny, it makes costs go up. This new system shows that the Blu-Ray player obviously didn't cause the price to rise that much (making its original 1k price which was blamed on the BluRay no longer a valid point), because we all know the changes to the system can't account for $300.

If you're anal about high definition enough to need Blu-Ray/HD DVD over standard DVD, chances are you won't be satisfied by the quality of a Sony player versus that of a Pioneer, or other higher quality brand player. You spent $15k on a TV to play movies in High Definition and your going to skimp on the player?

Sony weren't the first to use the CD, of course, however they were the first to do so successfully, and as a result ALL of the consoles in both the last gen and this current gen use some sort of variation on the Compact Disc technology. I guess last time Sony put an unsure technology in their games console it worked. Therefore, using your logic, this time it will work as well.

Amount of Sony's which were chipped and playing burnt games = A lot.
Amount of Nintendo 64 games which were playing pirated games = I don't have the figures, but I'm filling to bet a hell of a lot less.

Success is a relative term, because all Sony did was make a console standard which was inherently more popular because it was so much easier to find pirated games for. I wonder how many millions, hell, possibly billions Sony lost out on due to that decision. Yes, CDs won the battle over cartridges, but in the end, can you really call it a flawless success?

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I know I'm just being picky, and yes, Sony might be on the ball with this blu-ray thing. I personally don't believe Blu-Ray will win, simply because HD DVD has a better brand name which people are more easily equipped to understand. This is why I originally stated "which is why I think" and furthered it in my second post with "generally". Both are non-definitive statements which can't be 100% proved wrong at all. Sony could create a game console which cured cancer via BluRay and I still wouldn't be wrong.

The statement that the PS3 is not worth 1k however, is fact. The changes made are not worth a $300 price drop, so we can see, Sony hyped up the BluRay technology in order to stick a bigger price tag on it.

wat? i cant remember anything i said being directed at u sxio? anyways, Ry_ivan is my mortal enemy and i live to punish and bring him down.
Anyways what was i saying? i never argued the ps3>xbox360 > pc or anything. I WANT to own them all. ive got a faily decent pc (q6600, 640mb 8800 gts, 2 gigs of ram) and an xbox 360 and im looking for a good reason to buy a ps3 and this might be it. Blu Ray is pretty huge at JB Hi Fi (local store, walking distance) and they DONT stock hd dvd. meaning my damned xbox 360 hd dvd player has bloody one movie to watch! hell its not even a movie its bloody NIN - With Teeth Tour (great tour though ;) So maybe i wanna invest in blu ray!

Also, when did a forum become HSC 2unit englsh? i dont understand the big deal in speaking with u's and 2's, ****, Prince invented that in 1981 (im a prince mark so bite me :P) and used it ever since.

Heres some trivia, in english, theres 4000 "accidents" that dont apply to any rule in english. in italian? 250. english is the hardest language to learn if u dont already speak it. because its a tapestry of bs rules. U know why "you" is spelt like that instead of u? its cause, back when they were transcribing books from latin into english, the people paid to transcibe were paid by the line, so the more letters they whack into words the longer the line would be and the more they would be paid!

In conclusion english /= art, its a facist elitist langauge

My extra half a cent....

Its interesting to see the reaction to the new model and the price point of $699. But there are some facts that are being overlooked. Firstly, despite what has been said, Sony do NOT make a profit on any Playstation 3 sold, that includes the new $699 one. This is not in dispute and it is also why SCEE is haemoraging cash at an alarming rate.

The new console has been created to fulfil two purposes; 1. Cut the production costs of the console while; 2. Delivering higher sales.

Higher sales means a larger installed Blu-Ray base and a larger number of people to push game product to. Despite the price cut, the PS3 costs far more to produce than its consumer price point.

Sony developped the Cell Broadband engine in unison with a number of major technology firms including IBM who delivered the PowerPC based core. The Cell processor clocked at 3.2Ghz is one of the highest performing multi-core processors on the market (for the price) and is already appearing in enterprise computing products. This is not a failed technology, its part of the leading wave of multi-core consumer and corporate oriented products that is forcing the industry into the future. The response from intel and AMD is to launch its series of Quad core processors and for intel to conduct research into 80 core CPU's. Sony arent the first to multi-core technology but they have put it firmly in the hands of the consumer.

The components of the PS3 cost more than $1000. Very few PC's can compete against the PS3 in terms of raw processing power at $5,000 let alone sub $1000. It takes a lot of capability to drive 2 million pixels on a HD display.

To quote iSupply....

Sony (SNE) will lose US$241.35 on every PlayStation 3 game console it sells at US$599, and US$306.85 on every console it sells with a smaller hard drive at US$499, according to an analysis of the component. Dont believe me? Check it for yourself...

http://i.cmpnet.com/eetimes/eedesign/2006/chart1_111607.gif

Ultimately all Sony have attempted to do is re-position the product at a price that makes it more attractive to consumers in order to push more product. The money is not in the console and you would do a better job of bankrupting sony just simply by buying PS3's and not purchasing the games or movies. All Sony have done is re-define the margins and they will pick it up on the publisher license fees They may have only in reality saved US$100 overall but that is billions when you're dealing with an assembly line.

With respect to HD-DVD it is my opinion that, HD DVD will fail. Sony is more than just a consumer electronics firm, it is a publisher and producer of an enormous amount of content in the form of movies and music, there is absolutely no question that the firm will deliver on Blu-Ray and little else. For people who are making their first tenuous jump into HD the most attractive option is the one based on features at the price and when compared to a HD-DVD player a PS3 is extremely attractive, not to mention that the PS3 is not the only Blu-Ray solution available.

While the PS3 may not be the most definitive HD movie experience, it is the most accessible with a games console thrown in for good measure.

Sony will be paying out of their nose. I bet it costs almost just as much to manufacture.

Manufacture costs, hdd size and backwards compatibility aside, it's still almost double the price of it's competitor consoles and IMO there's still no real must have games that set it apart. As a reviewer I'll remain optimistic that we'll see something worthwhile soon, but as a home consumer I still wouldn't pay that price.

Manufacture costs, hdd size and backwards compatibility aside, it's still almost double the price of it's competitor consoles and IMO there's still no real must have games that set it apart. As a reviewer I'll remain optimistic that we'll see something worthwhile soon, but as a home consumer I still wouldn't pay that price.

The new metal gear looks good...

That's all I can think of at the mo.

People would spend up to 3 times that amount on booze, smokes and drugs a year, acutally people would proberly spend more than that on games with an average review score a year...Anybody who thinks the ps3 is to expensive is a ****.
I bet my life that these console's are made by underpaid workers trying hard to just get by and yet better off people still complain..

As for backwards compatiblity "IT"S RUBBISH ANYWAY" just another thing for one to complain about because it isn't spoon feed to them," too hard to find an alternative is it"
Mabey some people should invest in a lung machine just so they dont even have to take a breath for themselves.

Grand Turismo has always been a fine PS staple.

Kosmos's post - Very good, well backed up, very interesting points made. Top quality post imo and I can't really argue any points made there.

Mulfa's post - idiotic to the point of well... completely stupid.

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People would spend up to 3 times that amount on booze, smokes and drugs a year

Completely irrelevant.

acutally people would proberly spend more than that on games with an average review score a year

So? We're talking about the medium people play games, not the games themselves. The console is the added cost of playing those games. Every console has very average games, it's the top scorers which set the consoles apart.

nybody who thinks the ps3 is to expensive is a ****.

Expensive is a relative term. The PS3 is the most expensive gaming console on the market, and many people don't feel the need to pay out the ass when the 360 or Wii provide just as much entertainment value for a much lesser price. I happen to think anyone who claims people are ***** for believing something is too expensive are in turn, ***** themselves.

I bet my life that these console's are made by underpaid workers trying hard to just get by and yet better off people still complain..

Amazingly irrelevant. Also, who cares? Executives are the ones which get paid if the product is a success.

lung machine

You should invest in some schoolin' boy. We call those things respirators, or iron lung if you want to get old school. People are not lazy for wanting backwards compatibility, they want the most for their money. If I pay over a grand for a gaming console, I'd generally like the convenience of not having to get up and change over cables and consoles (which can get difficult depending on the set up of your home entertainment area) so I can play a game from the last gen. People get ****** at Microsoft because they can't play 10-15 year old games on Vista, yet people aren't allowed to get ****** at Sony for not being able to play a 9 month old game on a PS3?

In short - You're a douche.

Wow Mulfa is full of crap.

Lets face it, I don't think anybody would have a problem paying $699 for the PS3, or even $999 if it had a decent library of games, but it doesnt! There are a few decent looking games coming out, but compared to the 360s selection there is nothing. Sure, it all depends on taste, but right now the xbox 360 is looking to be the PS2 of this generation. It might have inferior hardware, but it is easy to program for and has an awesome games lineup. The PS3 on the other hand doesn't know what to do with itself.

good work guys really good comments Kosmos and Silent89. this is the funniest and most interesting forum i've ever been in.

Anyway just to tell you from my point of view. I have a PS3. I started collecting magazines from mid last year. i loved ps3 so much and when they announced it was comin out march 2007. So before i got my PS3 which was in july, i already wanted to buy a Full HD 1080p TV. So when i got my ps3 i had a HD Tv then i got bored of my ps3 in a week then i got a game. i pretty much got fooled by the media that it was an exciting console in that time.

Right now i hardly use my PS3 because i don't have broadband at my place because i cant get. so i have the next g crap which is the worst when it come to downloads. i do have a Full HD Tv at the moment but there is hardly any games that do go up to scale.

Basically these are the things you would need to experience a PS3:

A HDMI cable = $40-300 ( mine is monster. got for 130)
Seriously i cant really find the difference with a expensive HDMI cable to a cheap HDMI.

A Full HD Tv = $3000-4500. ( mine is a samsung 40")
This really hard to pick from which tv you want so be careful.

Broadband = $70-140 ( i dont have that)
if u want to have fun and use you're PS3. i suggest getting a decent connection.

So if want to invest in a ps3, don't complain at the console because it went down a few hundred dollars.

I think when they released their console it wasn't ready because of the amount of software (games) it had. For the mean while i would say that HD-DVD is winning and that next year PS3 will win the console wars. Some people might say that HD-DVD looks better, well thats because it uses the new MPEG3 encoder and the Blu-Ray uses MPEG-2. so Blu-ray needs to be updated.

If u are in to gaming like me i would suggest getting a 8800 GTS or a GTX than a 360 or Wii and waiting till november or december if u want to get a PS3.

The reason why i don't use my ps3 is because the lack of games and i dont have broadband. I think the PS3 has the most potential out of all the consoles.

The reason why i don't use my ps3 is because the lack of games and i dont have broadband. I think the PS3 has the most potential out of all the consoles.

we all know that the ps3 will be good sometime in the unknown future, but people care about what they can play now, not in 5 years, well i do.

silent89, u owned that fool

i think there is plenty of people who go 2 eb and trade thier ps2 towards a ps3 and just keep thier favourite games 2 keep playing them.
i also think that the ps3 has been over priced when they can take off $50 in hardware etc. and sell them 4 $300 less.

also it comes down to preference whether u want:

"all in one" - $999
or
"cable mess" - $886

$113 for space saving, less wires to trip over and 20G + 2 extra ports...

fabio. Then it was sony's fault for releasing the PS3 early in their case with a low amount of games.

By The Way. These games take years to make because of their sheer size. The developers still are playin around with the PS3. Look for example resistance fall of man. the developers at insomniac didn't know how to use it's power and still they came up with a successful game and now they are in development in a sequal to that game.

how much do you get for a ps2 on trade in? $30?

If you cant afford $30 then you cant afford a PS3.

Your right GoldenWog with some points, but I'm just wondering then, if things will be great for Sony (which they eventually probably will be, I know that) then why? the removal of ANY of those things, if eventually (even they know, obviously) they will be in a good position. There is NO reason to do any of what they've done simply because the price would've dropped anyway, that's my whole point they wanna make a bit of extra money, hiding it by making everyone think that the removal of those features substantiates the price drop. Yet it would've dropped NO MATTER WHAT anyway... in a business sense yes, that's a good move, but for the people making them the money, it's a slap in the face! And that's a big part of the reason I dislike Sony... they do this with many many products, not just PS3's. Some of there car audio gear can be laughed at especially... yet they demand a premium price (most of the time). But that's for another time... :)

Just another thing about the Nintendo DS thing, the fact that it's so cheap means many more people are in a position where they can buy it, so it probably wouldn't be hard to outsell ps3's 5:1 in that regard... BUT I don't really know why that's even been brought into this it's a handheld isn't it?? Shouldn't exactly be compared with a PS3!

Sony is always the company with the highest known quality with their products. so this price cut doesn't mean bad quality. this was their business idea and they probably surveyed people of how they use their PS3.

So Basically YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

Sony is always the company with the highest known quality with their products.

Wait... what?

Sorry, I actually wrote that comment up days ago, just clicked post now though lol, lots of catching up to do.

No one needs to get aggressive, lol, but yeah wanted to catch up:

Amount of Sony's which were chipped and playing burnt games = A lot.
Amount of Nintendo 64 games which were playing pirated games = I don't have the figures, but I'm filling to bet a hell of a lot less.

This is something I've always wanted to bring up, just imagine the piracy levels if consoles stuck with cartridges, I'm sure someone would've thought of something, but it would be much harder and this point especially... much more costly to pirate cartridged games.

In fact they should've stuck with cartridges all the way with consoles, and just thrown in a CD/DVD player as a bonus on the side of the console or something. I'm not an e-peace activist or anything by any means lmao, and I haven't always bought my games, but anything that really interests me or keeps me playing for long times and gives me enjoyment I will always buy... I feel for the developers and how much they lose due to piracy, it ain't easy making games (and I've never tried) just speaking from previous coding/web page experience, which can be annoying/hard enough on it's own, but to make a game etc. especially the ones that make a good game but still don't get the success they deserve due to piracy... it sucks!

But theres many times a game has asked way to much for what it is... but anyway...

Just as an example, nearly EVERY, or the majority of people I know that have a PS1/2 even Xbox especially.... not one of them have 'NOT' chipped the console and bought burnt games, it's amazing the level of piracy there is, sometimes I think HOW do they make ANY money lol it's ridiculous... that's why I always loved the 64, stuck with the cartridge, which also equalled to MUCH faster loading times, something that was/is really ****** with PS1/2's etc.

The Nintendo 64 "lost" the "console war" against the Playstation. One of them used Cartridges, the other used Compact Discs.

Again don't bite my head off, I'm just stating my thoughts... but you could look at that and see that Sony just took the easy way out... everyones gonna love the CD option so that'll make us a shitload guys WOOT! Whereas the 64 with it's cartridges and lack of piracy lost the battle.

And thats what I mean, the fact that you could buy a PS1 and then buy games for like $2-$5 each, and that is a bloody dream come true for people that don't have a lot of money to be spending it on a games console costing several hundreds of dollars, but the fact that you could get games so cheap meant you just had to shell out for the console basically.

Heres some trivia, in english, theres 4000 "accidents" that dont apply to any rule in english.

Sorry can you please explain this for me, what do you mean by "accidents"?

I'm just curious because I disagree with this:

english is the hardest language to learn if u dont already speak it.

It may be hard if you want to learn it to a english professors degree, but there are languages much harder to learn "if you don't already speak them" which if your learning them of course you don't already speak them, unless your taking classes to freshen up/gain advanced knowledge.

In fact I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Russian in fact is one of the hardest languages to learn, aswell as Polish, and in fact Finnish... aswell as of course many Asian languages & African.

Last thing is any smart PC gamer, smart gamer in fact knows the PC is where it's at, because it is.

There all basically mini-PC's anyway, the ONLY thing they have over PC's is that SOME good games (very few) come out only specifically for a certain system. That and sports games, that's all console are good for, seriously. Any other game, and a PC can do it, and do it much better.

GTA is a good example, it's a great game on console if not awkward due to the controls, not there not so awkward, but I mean auto-aim, etc. where's the skill/fun? you can't aim with an analog stick... when you play it on PC... it's like a new and improved game - #1.... SUPER GREG! And that is mainly due to the controls and the word of the decade.... MODS.

Lol I'm just exaggerating, because the only games I do want for PC that are on a console is:

Forza Motorsport 1&2.

***** on GT series in every way (except maybe for quantity of cars) which went completely downhill from part 3. And who wants to drive a Nissan Cube with rims anyway???? RICERS! lol :)

Seriously though, that is the only game I've ever wanted on PC that has been console specific.

There you go aswell, not everybody has, or even has the money to buy a HDTV yet, which is where you'll get the "PS3 Experience" lol... so yeah, at this point in time, it would be much wiser to spend $999 and even $699 on a PC upgrade rather than a console, IMO!

Bring it on fanboys :D j/ks :)

Sony is always the company with the highest known quality with their products.



Wait... what?

Sorry I was gonna leave it at that but just noticed that new post... LOL!

Silent89 my thoughts exactly.

People think I don't like Sony just because....

But it ain't that, they often claim to be all high-end (with some of there products) yet they are no-where near it, they are a general provider of general electronics, and there quality is general aswell... but they demand a premium price rivalling that of companies which SPECIALISE in there fields often... and cannot compete.

One of my favourite Sony products is the Xplod range I don't think they could've literally chosen a better name, since those things actually explode... lol.

Again don't bite my head off, I'm just stating my thoughts... but you could look at that and see that Sony just took the easy way out... everyones gonna love the CD option so that'll make us a shitload guys WOOT! Whereas the 64 with it's cartridges and lack of piracy lost the battle.

And thats what I mean, the fact that you could buy a PS1 and then buy games for like $2-$5 each, and that is a bloody dream come true for people that don't have a lot of money to be spending it on a games console costing several hundreds of dollars, but the fact that you could get games so cheap meant you just had to shell out for the console basically.

That's your opinion as to why it worked out for them. I'm certainly not biting anyones heads off, so you needn't tell me not to, i was simply attempting to provide a counter-point to the old "Sony always backs the losing tech" argument.

But it ain't that, they often claim to be all high-end (with some of there products) yet they are no-where near it, they are a general provider of general electronics, and there quality is general aswell... but they demand a premium price rivalling that of companies which SPECIALISE in there fields often... and cannot compete.

I find it somewhat amusing that there is so much generalisation going in a sentence that contains the word general 3 times.

shady.. thats what i meant

Sony USED to make very good equipment. Chances are that if you bought Sony product 15-20yrs ago, it still runs today. They made good gear, you expected quality and longevity and you got it.

That is nowhere near true anymore. The last 2 Sony products i bought all started dying about 6-12 months into their lives. I have therefore not even considered buying anything from Sony ever since. Their products are just another general brand so to speak. They have no better gear than any other brand now. Sometimes even worse.

Now I am forced to admit that they have surprised me with the PS3. I seriously expected something like a 35% failure rate at launch. Especially with the pile of junk that was the PS2. They were one of the worst built Sony appliances that I have come across. That is another reason they sold so well. Most people were on their 3 or 4th console. They had to buy another one because Sony told them to sod off when they approached them for some "justice".

I find it somewhat amusing that there is so much generalisation going in a sentence that contains the word general 3 times.

Lol, my thoughts exactly...

So in other words;
Sony generally claim to be all high-end, but really they are just general providers of general electronics with a general quality and generally demand premium prices generally compared to other specialised companies, in general.

lol. What the hell man? ? Specifics? examples?



I have never seen Sony promoting "general quality" (which doesn't even make sense btw) products at "premium prices" and claim them to be "high-end".
In most cases, you get what you pay for, and i know that if i buy a Sony product, you will get a high-ended mid-range product.

Relating this back to the topic.. I knew that when i was buying a PS1; it was well worth the 200 odd dollars it cost me as it changed the face of console gaming,
and that the PS2 was the most successfull console to date,
and that in 10 years time.. i would have spent $1000 on much worse things than a PS3..
and that playing a HD game on the PS3 through a 42"Bravia, connected to a Sony 5.1 dolby digital surround sound system, may not be the highest-end system going... but is worth every dollar.

Now im not a Sony fanboy, but you cannot generalise like that. ever.




Also, can someone please start a "PS3 $1000?!? hell no!" topic in the console forums so that everyone can keep their whinging in one area...as one person stated above, knowones complaining about the $1000 price tag on HD DVD players....
and as i've said before, if you actually use the PS3 for MORE than just games, and you have it for the next 7 - 10 years... is it really THAT expensive??

the PS3 targets a slightly different market... the more well-off gamer market, for now anyway. cutting backwars compatability didnt seem very necessary, but its not a huge deal - u buy a PS3 to play PS3 games.

its only software emulation, they should have left it unless its to differentiate more between the 60 and 40gb models

the PS3 has at least another 5 years of life in it, im suspicious microsoft will be releasing a new xbox console in about 2-3 years time...

Sony USED to make very good equipment. Chances are that if you bought Sony product 15-20yrs ago, it still runs today. They made good gear, you expected quality and longevity and you got it.

That is nowhere near true anymore. The last 2 Sony products i bought all started dying about 6-12 months into their lives. I have therefore not even considered buying anything from Sony ever since. Their products are just another general brand so to speak. They have no better gear than any other brand now. Sometimes even worse.

MORE generalisation??

Let's not even compare the life of Playstations as to computers.

Especially with the pile of junk that was the PS2. They were one of the worst built Sony appliances that I have come across. That is another reason they sold so well. Most people were on their 3 or 4th console. They had to buy another one because Sony told them to sod off when they approached them for some "justice".

The PS2 was a pile of junk? tell that to the millions....

They sold so well, because people were on their 3rd or 4th console, an Sony told them to sod off when they approched them for some "justice" ?
come on man.....

the PS3 has at least another 5 years of life in it, im suspicious microsoft will be releasing a new xbox console in about 2-3 years time..

I agree.
Magazines and Sony speaks-people (including "Mr Sony" himself) have claimed that the Playstation is looking at a 10 year future...
and why not? The PS2 lasted ages.

I think that technology is moving too fast these days for it to be still going strong after 10 years.. but maybe 7 or 8?
Though i think XBOX will be looking at an upgrade in about 4 or 5 years time ...

drb i am a sony fanboy as well. why do many people complain and whinge about the PS3. Maybe their just a anothe jealous "microsofty" that doesn't want to admit to regret buyin a xbox.
This news about the price cut isn't bad, it is very good news for YOU and you should be happy.

Cmon guys. grow up

Now, now children be nice everyone's got their opinion and whether it's right or wrong, it's no ones right to take that away. In 6 months or so the price will drop quicker than lead in water, this will happen to all the consoles and pc's. It's happen before and will happen again, it's a fact of life.

The PS2 was a pile of junk? tell that to the millions....

I am not talking about a dodgy console. I am talking only about the build quality of them. The vast majoriy fall apart, break, lock up, overheat, stop working and a hell of a lot more problems.

They sold so well, because people were on their 3rd or 4th console, an Sony told them to sod off when they approached them for some "justice" ?
come on man.....

Come on, everyone that has dealt with Sony know that they have some of the worst customer service around. Due to their cockiness. When peoples systems stopped working they didnt care at all and told them to get over it and buy a new one.

ITT anecdotal evidence presented as fact

Come on, everyone that has dealt with Sony know that they have some of the worst customer service around. Due to their cockiness. When peoples systems stopped working they didnt care at all and told them to get over it and buy a new one.

Im not dissing the fact that perhaps that was what happened in your case, but i don't think thats why the PS2 sold so well....

I am not talking about a dodgy console. I am talking only about the build quality of them. The vast majoriy fall apart, break, lock up, overheat, stop working and a hell of a lot more problems.

Ok, they may not have been the best built consoles in its days.... but what was built better? the cartridge-playing nintendo?
I have two PS2's, one original one, and one silver one (neither of them are the slim-line PS2's) which still work as good as new.

Please do not bring up general information about Sony's product quality in this Topic.
PS2 build quality; fair enough, but not Sony in general.

Otherwise you can expect general quality issues regarding microsofts "fantastic" software, hardware and IT helpdesk reputation...

just wondering, whats it going to look like? might be slimmer because the card slots are gone, but if its not then what are they going to do with the empty space that was the card readers?

you mean the next XBOX fabio?

cant edit, no the cheaper ps3

Come on, everyone that has dealt with Sony know that they have some of the worst customer service around

That's true, at least in my case. I was practically accused of cheating when I rang up their customer service to get them to send out the code I needed to use the PS2 online which they had neglected to send out in the first place. After that, I decided I'll never buy another Sony product again.

"Come on, everyone that has dealt with Sony know that they have some of the worst customer service around..."

About two weeks ago my friend said that there was an error with the hardrive. so he called up sony customer service and they said to send it to them and they will send him a brand new one in 3 days, no qustions asked.

True story. Now tell mr how thats bad customer service

"Come on, everyone that has dealt with Sony know that they have some of the worst customer service around..."

About two weeks ago my friend said that there was an error with the hardrive. so he called up sony customer service and they said to send it to them and they will send him a brand new one in 3 days, no qustions asked.

True story. Now tell mr how thats bad customer service

Well thats one good report. Just have a looksee on the net and on other forums (not Sony forums) and see how many people have been abused by Sony.

Ok, they may not have been the best built consoles in its days.... but what was built better? the cartridge-playing nintendo?
I have two PS2's, one original one, and one silver one (neither of them are the slim-line PS2's) which still work as good as new.

Please do not bring up general information about Sony's product quality in this Topic.
PS2 build quality; fair enough, but not Sony in general.

Otherwise you can expect general quality issues regarding microsofts "fantastic" software, hardware and IT helpdesk reputation...

This has nothing whatsoever to do with microsoft. Not that they are a beacon of imitation by any means but right now irrelevant.
That cartridge nintendo was a well built system. Much fewer breakdowns. It was a reliable system (as all nintendo systems usually are). (I am still all for cartidges BTW. I wasn't pleased when optical media became standard but thats life. )

It wasn't "not the best built console". It was a shocker. And of course i don't mean that is the only reason it sold so well. Sony did the right things. It is to their credit that the system did well. But replacement purchases were by no means a tiny part.

only just read this.
1. I have my 64 out and still play it
2. I have both xbox and xbox 360 never needed ps2,3 hated controlers pissed me off
3. I being a bastard with no job would buy this as the only games i like on playstation i have on xbox
4. I don't care what happeneds anymore I like what I like tis it

:D

Well thats one good report. Just have a looksee on the net and on other forums (not Sony forums) and see how many people have been abused by Sony.

MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS BETTER THAN YOUR ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE!

It wasn't "not the best built console". It was a shocker. And of course i don't mean that is the only reason it sold so well. Sony did the right things. It is to their credit that the system did well. But replacement purchases were by no means a tiny part.

Call me back when it has the highest failure rate of any console ever.

Please do not bring up general information about Sony's product quality in this Topic.
PS2 build quality; fair enough, but not Sony in general.

True we should leave it to a dedicated "Sony General" thread really, because the PS3 seems like the one product that SHOULD be left out of the quality debate because seems it's actually quite decent hey lol :)

True we should leave it to a dedicated "Sony General" thread really, because the PS3 seems like the one product that SHOULD be left out of the quality debate because seems it's actually quite decent hey lol :)

Sooo..that was both an insult and compliment directed at Sony?

lol. im just clearing it up..

Iim not a fanboy of any kind i just love playing good games. I bought a 360 from day one, yes it broke so i sent it back, fixed no problem since. Since buying it i havent been able to put the bloody thing down, alot of good games to play not enough time.

Im starting to sound like a fan boy i know, but i really have had a lot of fun on this machine.

The point im trying to work to is, people keep talking about the potential of the ps3 and while that may be so, i dont want to spend a thousand plus dollars on potential. And before i start hear the cries of a ten year life span Im sorry people thats just pr garbage. I just hope for the sake of games, developers dont only just start using the (potential) of the ps3 the year before the ps4 hits, because that would just be rediculous. From all reports developers are struggling with the ps3, This i believe cant be good. At this stage its going to take a lot more than mgs4 and grand turismo (both series are old favs) to part with my hard earned splash.

So come on sony get behind the developers that support you and get the machine running to its much hyped potential. After all unutalized potential isnt potential at all...
And good market competition will only mean better games 4 you and me.

NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILTY?!?!?! Well then, I'll just have to buy the 60GB PS 3 then, when the price comes down more.

Ditto - xmas is a short skip away - lets see the Stores do battle with prices or bundle packs!!

Backwards compat is important to me - take singstar PS3 - PS2 for EG - It's hard enough for my partner to put a disk in one console let alone get confused between what Singstar disc goes in which PS CONSOLE - AND unplugging the mics to reconnect in the other console... thats a whole new story....

I don't really understand why sony would leave the consumer high and dry with this.

I understand the HD size, the USB reduction, and the card reader drop - but the BWC? WTF?


I have a 360 - which has never given me much probs other than resetting or freezing (RESEMBLES THE NES ETC), and a Wii (which has frozen a few times too)....
I just can't justify the $$ on the PS3 nor the 40gb model (price drop) without the BWC!!!



"Right now i hardly use my PS3 because i don't have broadband at my place because i cant get. so i have the next g crap which is the worst when it come to downloads. i do have a Full HD Tv at the moment but there is hardly any games that do go up to scale. "

And check for your NEXT-G firmware upgrade to version 7 - increase speeds.
Ask your Telstra support (133933 - bigpond customers ((blue modems)), 125111 - ask for wireless data for "Telstra" modems ((orange modems)). )

Remember it is not really designed for online game play - especially due to the information relaying via the MOBILE CELLULAR TOWERS - Next-G runs on!!! Causing delays in your gameplay.

Speak to your Telstra country wide rep on 1300-our-tcw to ask about ADSL in your area. The more people registered in an area - the more likely your chances of exchange expansion or upgrade!!! Get everyone to register in your area wanting ADSL that can't get it!!

Sooo..that was both an insult and compliment directed at Sony?

Pretty much, I should've been more clear though :)

What I mean is, I compliment Sony on the power of the PS3, because it's got quite powerful processing capabilities, but still I'm not personally sure on what the build quality is like having never touched one physically apart from the controllers, so in that regard yes.

:)

Is the existing 60GB bundles getting a price cut? That's what I hear in Europe.

The other versions have been scrapped. Atleast as far as Australia is concerned. I think you'll find only the 20GB and 40GB version til sales pick up.

Only missing components are

No PS2 backwards compatibility
2 less USB ports
No Memory Card/flash drive slot,
Smaller HD, but they most likely can be swapped like b4
but if you already have a PS2 these are not an issue.

But then is it really worth upgrading?, there's new games but other than a few they aren't really groundbreaking.

Only time will tell when new games come out next yr.

The other versions have been scrapped. Atleast as far as Australia is concerned. I think you'll find only the 20GB and 40GB version til sales pick up.

Actually, there is no 20gb version in Australia. There will only be 40gb versions. So if you want backwards compatibility, you'll have to buy a 60gb one before they sell out. But don't hurry, with current sales, that's not going to be for a long time.

Actually there is no other versions other than 40GB except through private sales and shops with oversupply.

Department Stores, EBgames Australia, Sony and the other major stockers only have the 40GB version now.
They pulled the other model due to issues, hackability and poor sales due to price.

Just a difference between HD size and the lack of 2 extra USB ports, WIfI and no backwards compatibility with the vast majority of PS2/PS1 games. They are however producing compat. version for purchase through the PS3 store.

HD can be changed with any 2.5" SATA HD with the flick of a switch
or get an E-SATA PS3 specific adapter and you can use any IDE or SATA HD externally.

Also there are PS2/PS3 adpaters for pretty much everything.

And the USB can use pretty much any PC USB devices.

Strange though if the new PS3 isn't backwards compatible, why did they leave in the ability to create a virtual PS1/PS2 Memory Card slot on the system?

Hmmmmm!!!! me thinks they know eventually someone will work out how to emulate or they will.

bah, i want backwards compatibility! ill just get the 60gb version

Why? have you not already got a PS2?
Anyway read forums elsewhere, the backwards compatibility is limited anyway and the games suffer with worse than original graphics due to different hardware/software structure between the PS2 and PS3.

So you're better off with a PS2 anyway.

That's not the point, i said if it's not why is there an option to create PS1/PS2 save slots.?

And good luck finding a 60Gb version. They aren't stocked anymore by major retailers. and Sony aint making anymore.

wouldnt both consoles still have the same software? so isnt that a good enough reason why the 40gb still has the PS1/Ps2 save slots

Well I just purchased the 40 gb console for $589, excellent value when you consider the blue ray ability. This is perfect for me because I owned an xbox not a ps2,so I don't care about Backward compatability( even if I did the ps2 is now on sale for $149 at bigw) Why didn't I buy an xbox360?,well after looking at the abilities of both machines it's easy to see that the ps3 is a superior machine (that's why I bought a xbox not a ps2) , when talking about the games available remember that the oter consoles have a decent head start which is the same thing that happened with the last generation(remember in order of release Dreamcast, ps2,xbox) with the later eventually taking honors in all reviews.(oh yeah i forgot about gamecube but that was pretty forgettable).So if you take into account specs and past console releases and their successes I'm pretty sure I made the right decision to do my homework and wait for the price drop(which was expected for some time).

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