I thought that, while controversy is so rife, it might be worthwhile sounding out what changes people want to see next season.

There seemed to be some dissatisfaction with single elimination in the latter stages of the finals i.e. semi-finals onward. The only change I would consider proposing is possibly making the semi-finals, as well as the grand final, a best of three as well. I still believe that bo3 should be reserved solely for the grand final and the rest should be short-and-sharp single map elimination, but I thought it might be useful to put to the community.

Other than that, there's the perennial issue of maps.

Nothing else comes immediately to mind, so post your thoughts here and we'll see what can be done for next season, assuming there is a next season.

"assuming there is a next season"

If I take my Gameop hat off, I like the fact that the Semi Final is so cut throat. You have to be on your game and not 'choke' so to speak. Grand Final's should be about the team that doesn't necessarily have the best fraggers but have the whole box and dice. I think it's fair to say that in each GA Season, the Grand Finalists have been deserving participants because they have good fragging ability, excellent teamwork, cohension, ability to execute under pressure and to strategically get the scores on the board (ie: caps and ticks) when it counted.

So, my vote is to keep it as is but if I am in the minority I will happily change it.

Also, the season is long and by the time finals comes along, most players want it to go by really fast so they can have a break from it.

Not being stupid or anything but i think adding dod_strasbourg could add a twist to next season, possibly another but i would have to look into it.

EDIT; I don't really mind the finals setup, the only bad thing is for example if we did it this season (bo3) , it would of been hard for teams to get a solid 6 on for all the extra games when they can barely make time for normal season games.

As for next season the innactivity will grow and make this proposal even harder ..

Bad idea on making it best of 3 in the semi's Dave, 60 minutes is too long for some people, just imagine how 80-120 would go down.

http://www.team-exile5.org/forums/showp ... ostcount=8

MASSIVE BOMB

Take away Harrington and Argentan from grand final games. The same 2 maps in 2 grand finals, is enough.

Don't troll my post and say because you lost twice, I could care less if we did. A change of new maps for finals please.

Since I'm still new to source I won't comment on maps, but I also enjoy single elimination semis. Even going back to the early days of 1.3, the single eliminations were always so intimidating that countless amounts of teams just simply choked. I like that aspect of competitions, there shouldn't be a safety net. Teams need to step up or step down :3.

EDIT - Itchy or David. Please give me a GA admins email, I want to send them an abusive email to change my password on my "robles" GA account. The email that I created it with no longer exists, and I can't remember my password.

See, that's not such a bad idea, but it's completely contradicted by the first round and grand final, where teams are offered a second life, and a bo3 game respectively. Silly stuff.

Josh, here is the only place you can submit your request

http://www.gamearena.com.au/help/contact/

So, should the entirety of finals be single elimination, perhaps in the vein of:

Round 1: 1v8; 2v7; 3v6; 4v5
Round 2: (1v8)v(4v5); (2v7)v(3v6)
Round 3: Grand final ?

I'd have no issue with running something like this.

As far as grand final map selection goes, I agree with Stozz in that the same maps are too often played; I'd suggest that they should be randomised from the list of selectable maps. Once maps are chosen and are deemed to be "war quality", they should be able to be used whenever.

The finals system how it is now, is gay because only 3 top teams can compete with each other. Assuming that these top 3 teams come 1,2 and 3 on the ladder the winner of 2v3 will have pretty much an automatic grand final spot.

It just defeats the purpose of trying to get top spot on the ladder under these circumstances.

In regards to maps for the finals, the bf2 GA ladder get the teams preferences of which maps they want to play. In which the highest voted map between the teams get picked to be played.

It may add some variety into what maps are played in the finals series, and undoubtedly would take away from ppl saying the gameops are biased to certain maps.

I don't actually know how many maps that people have a choice for, but if it were a pretty large amount you could just go with the top 10 maps.

oh and:
- palermo
- solitude_match
+ solitude_rats
+ salerno

Agreed re: Palermo/Salerno and _match/_rats; those changes will likely happen for next season. I'll also try to suss out this dod_strasbourg map that seems to have everyone talking.

Re: Finals maps: I still think that, for single elimination, thought should be put into what map is played in what round with a view towards the best spectacles and tightest maps. We tried to pick maps that alternated between strategic/slower maps (e.g. Thunder) and faster/technique-driven maps (e.g. Harrington/Lennon).

If we're going down the path of choosing maps outside of the GameOp circle, I strongly suggest straight randomisation for rounds, because if the community is allowed to pick maps, it will just be the same ones; if the structure and precision is going to be removed from the selection process, maps out of a hat would make things more interesting and exciting, I think.

"Round 1: 1v8; 2v7; 3v6; 4v5
Round 2: (1v8)v(4v5); (2v7)v(3v6)
Round 3: Grand final ? "

Makes much more sense than whats currently in place

+1, not to sure what people will think of it at first but its a very strat orientated map and could show some great games if it were added. .
beware, it is a snow map and it isnt the lightest map

It's going to be tested in the pre-season of the next rats comp, so you will get an idea of how it goes then. It's a port of northbound, which played dreadfully in 1.3 but considering how source games are played it could suit it.

The finals system works fine IMHO. As I have said on countless times, plenty of sporting activities use this ladder system and is proven to work and work fairly. Nofsky, it is unfortunate that we have 3 top teams because it does skew things a little and makes one team get through easier than the other but that being said, strategy becomes important for teams during the regular season to jockey for the best position.

People get hung up on the concept that if you finish in the top four then you should get two chances. This is not how this system works. Indulge me for a moment while I explain.

1 v 4 and 2 v 3. Two of these teams will win so their benefit in the system is that they skip a round and proceed to one of two preliminary finals. THIS IS THEIR BENEFIT for winning the first final. The two loser also get a benefit and that is they get to play again. THIS IS THEIR BENEFIT. The rest is all semantics as far as I am concerned. People have to realise this is NOT a double elimination system. The benefit for finishing in the top four is evident. Any team from 5-8 have to keep wining and never get any benefits however, those who finish in the top 4 clearly do.

I say leave the system as it is and adjust maps and who gets to chose what etc etc.

For whatever it's worth...

I agree with Itchy in keeping some kind of incentive for teams finishing first or second on the ladder.

You could consider reverting to a top six for finals. The 1st and 2nd teams on the ladder could have a bye into the semis as the top seeds, and the other four teams could play for the remaining two places.

Some good suggestions in here, keep em rolling

Wow itchy, that went way over your head.

CATANIA GO

santos, but remove the bridge.

You have downsyndrome

What makes you think I was referring to your post Downercast? I understand your point but the common misconception by people is that they commonly refer to double elimination when they talk about our finals structure. My point was to clarify that it is NOT a double elimination. This misconception mainly comes about because 2 from the top 4 (ie: the losers) get effectively a double chance whereas the winners dont because the preliminary final is sudden death.

What makes you think that i thought you were referring to my post. Go to your draw, get a pen and some paper, read nofskys post, take some notes, revise them every few days, and then come back to this thread in a few weeks.

Oh and try to die in a fire sometime between then and now too.

Or you could just stfu, stop whinging and moaning like a school kid that you are. Anyone would think this was the most important decision ever to be made. Remember downercast..it's just a game.

Are you upset itchy?
You sound upset itchy.

Why would he be upset? He just beat your team en route to winning the whole competition.

You really have no ground to **** talk anymore Downcast. You can't even make a grand final, when the only 2 good teams left had very limited interest in the game, the whole season.

I doubt Itchy is upset over anything.

wa0hw00ahwo0ahh

A semi final bait. I didn't see it coming. Give me some warning next time, so i can practice my sad face in the mirror.

:<

It's not a bait. It's a fact that you guys talk so much crap thinking your better then everyone, and you fail to win.

Maybe you should just practice dod_harrington more, because Christ knows you practice everything in else in DoD:S to death.

hahahaha Josh.

Downercast downercast downercast.... To answer your questions, no, I am not upset but you clearly are that you lost the GA Semi Final because you havent shut up about ever since. Get over it, you lost, it's a game.

WOW

overnight pros die early

Yet **** players quit the game several times to come back aye saber.

EDIT*

Better yet, **** players just get no-recoil scripts.

Better take that pic down robles, homey might start trying to hit on netch .

that pic is 3 years old you complete duds

at least try in your efforts

Saber has never quit. He says that after a **** night in pub all the time, always comes back still on roster! <3joosabey

exactly tal , its a **** game and im pretty **** at it now lols, its all about fragging old faces, thats all.
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big rofl at you bringing up crap like that up nofsky, abit desperate for comebacks these days.

+proning bm good times.

always been legit mate.
let the old calls go.

everyone needs to get laid or something,jesus calm down chaps.

Back on topic the reason not as many teams are interested in GA anymore is because its the same every season, with a few different maps the biggest changes.

Its simple if you want more teams shake it up a bit,so other teams will be all "hey that sounds like FUN,lets give it a go",hence the popularity with SAIL and rats to a degree.

I`m sure if GA came up with a completely new set up and maps then you`ll get alot of the other teams back and would be a win-win for all dods die hards (no matter how **** they think the game is but keep playing it

shut the hell up idiot.

GA can't proliferate a new set up; we are bound by what we are told we can offer as a competition, which is the same ladder-based competition every season. All we can do are make changes with rules e.g. pistol scripts, maps etc.

The problem re: maps is not one of selection, it is simply one of choice; people will, given the opportunity, choose maps that they are most familiar/comfortable with if they want to win. That's just how it goes. Until this competition forces teams to play different maps through the season - which, at this stage, it cannot - then we will continue to have the same old stale matches on the same maps.

Harrington produces some fine matches, but few would disagree that it is altogether overplayed; RGL was a fresh breath of air with the weekly round-robin format; it's just a shame that, in lieu of invite/open, most games were utter mismatches.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Thats no way to celebrate my 100th post coldfront.

you cut me.............................................................deep.

Where on earth is my best friend Sullo ? did he change his ADDRESS ?

stalkerFRONT :>

lolz coldfront keyboard warrior at it again.

The fact the you looked up sullos address and name,then messaged it to him telling him to be quiet on dods forums or you`ll pass it out just shows how much of dead brain you are.

Seriously man,you must have a pretty **** life to be the way you are all the time,i feel sorry for you tbh.

YEAH man that is exactly what happened. I just search for peoples real life details all day and night.......

Why did you do it then?